The Moving Well Podcast

The Moving Well Podcast gives you fitness advice for efficient, effective and pain free exercises. The hosts Janet Sunderland and Nikki Naab-Levy who are both fitness educators for Balanced Body and collectively have 20 years experience in the fitness industry.
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May 18, 2017

In this episode, Janet and Nikki talk with Medical Exercise Specialist Brian Richey about how to work with a client with knee pain.

They cover:

  • Common causes of knee pain and how to know when to refer out
  • Exercise protocols and contraindications for arthritis, ACL tears, patellofemoral syndrome meniscal tears and general knee pain
  • How to use a foam roller to address knee pain
  • Corrective exercises to decrease knee discomfort and improve alignment
  • What muscle groups to target when you have knee pain
  • The background on the study that found surgery wasn't effective for addressing pain from meniscal tears
  • Exercise recommendations for knee health

About Brian Richey

Brian, the owner/operator of Fit 4 Life DC, was born in Kailua, Hawai‘i, and graduated from the University of Hawai‘i with a B.S. in Exercise Science/Kinesiology.

While Brian is a personal trainer, he isn’t your typical one. Brian is a Medical Exercise Specialist and Post Rehab Conditioning Specialist, meaning that his level of understanding and working with and managing medical conditions with exercise is far beyond that of your typical trainer.

“My goal is to bridge the gap between the medicine and movement.”

While Brian might have been born in paradise, his childhood wasn’t all fun in the sun. He was an obese child, tipping the scales at over 420lbs by his 18 th birthday. His journey of weight loss ultimately led him to pursuit a career in personal training and help people not only in losing weight but also regaining and improving their quality of life.

To connect with Brian, you can visit his website, follow him on Facebook or send him an email at

May 12, 2017

In this episode, Janet and Nikki talk with manual sports medicine osteopath Roeshan Shadravan about addressing the body from a holistic point of view when trying to decrease pain or improve performance.

They cover:

  • The roles of manual therapy, movement and stability work in helping someone move better
  • The effects of emotions on holding patterns, posture and pain
  • Different strategies for decreasing emotional and physical stress
  • Why going deeper, harder or faster won't necessarily get you the best result in bodywork
  • The importance of integrating movement after bodywork


Roeshan Shadravan DOMP Holistic Practitioner                   


Roeshan Shadravan is a performance, movement, and manual sports medicine osteopath and educator with a focus on pain management, neural communication, nutrition, biomechanics, fascia and joint health. Roeshan has been featured in the Huffington Post, is featured in the MELT instructional videos, teaches internationally, and assists in teacher trainings for several modalities.  Over the past two decades Roeshan has worked with a broad range of clientele from Olympians and corporate executives to infants, sports teams, professional athletes, seniors, teens, and everything in between.  

Having been a competitive athlete and coach with a background in forensic science, Roeshan’s drive and talent to stay on top of the latest scientific research and find the true underlying cause of pain and imbalance in the body are unparalleled.  In addition to her Osteopathy degree Roeshan holds a MSc in Athletic Therapy and is currently a DN candidate for her second doctorate in medicine as a Doctor of Naprapathic Medicine.

Using a full spectrum of therapeutic techniques to address the root cause of disharmony and miscommunication in the nervous system, joints, muscles, viscera and connective tissue system of the body, Roeshan works to restore balance and neural communication, remove stress, and relieve pain in your body improving your quality of life, posture, and athletic performance. 

Roeshan’s motto in life is, “You deserve to feel your best and keep doing what you love in happiness and good health for a lifetime.” She has trained, mentored, and studied globally with world-renowned movement specialist, manual therapist, fascia researchers, osteopaths and naturopathic doctors.

Roeshan is available for private one-on-one consultations and sessions to address your individual needs and goals. 

Roeshan’s love and deep respect for the human body’s ability to heal began early on in her life.  “Being extremely active growing up as a climber, surfer, gymnast, and snowboarder, I was constantly seeking ways to restore balance in my life and relieve pain in my body.  While competing and traveling on the professional circuit, injury prevention, maintenance, and recovery were key components to feeling and doing my best.  Hands-on bodywork, movement therapy, and nutrition were the answers to my prayers and lead me to the next chapter of my life. The opportunity to offer that back and help others find freedom and joy in their body and lives lights me up!”

To work with Roeshan, visit her website or say hello on Twitter, Facebook or Instagram.                                                      

May 4, 2017

In this episode, Janet and Nikki talk with Pilates teacher and educator Carrie Pagès about ways to stay inspired and creative in your teaching and your movement practice.

They cover:

  • How to use pre-Pilates exercises to get more out of your session
  • Resources for creative exercise ideas and sequences
  • The importance of cueing for staying engaged in the work
  • Strategies to keep classes feeling new and dynamic
  • How to use props to increase challenge, modify an exercise or create a better movement experience

About Carrie Pagès

For nearly two decades, Carrie Pagès has dedicated her work, life, and creativity towards sharing the gifts of Pilates with her students.  

She is the owner and senior instructor of In Balance Pilates Studio and founder and facilitator of the In Balance Pilates Teacher Training Program.  In 2016, Carrie won The Pilates Anytime Next Instructor Competition.  

Her most recent project,, is an online resource for students and instructors to take classes, observe instructional tutorials, watch demonstrations of the classical exercises, and get studio management tips.  Carrie lives in Wilmington, NC with her husband, two children and beautiful Boston Terrier.

To connect with Carrie, say hello on Facebook or Instagram.

Apr 27, 2017

In this episode, Nikki and Janet chat with licensed massage therapists and educators Richard Polishuk and Lauren Christman about the roles of bodywork and movement when helping people decrease pain and improve performance.

They cover:

  • What makes good posture and how to integrate the idea of posture into movement where it becomes more fluid
  • How our experiences in life can be reflected in how we move and feel or if we have pain
  • How often you should get a massage or bodywork
  • How to identify the difference between a muscular and a fascial restriction and how to address it through bodywork
  • When going deeper isn’t always better and why no pain no gain won’t necessarily get you the best result or lasting change
  • How to use assessments to maximize a bodywork session
  • The difference between moving to notice how we feel and moving for the sake of performance
  • When symmetry in the body isn’t necessarily for function
  • A brief discussion of how to use self-care techniques (foam rolling, stretching, ect) to maintain that changes that you get in a massage and what structures you’re actually changing in your structure when you foam roll

Links Mentioned:

Lauren and Richard's website (
Crafted Touch Facebook Page
Integrative Pain Management Book

About Lauren M. Christman, LMP, CBSI/KMI, CCST

After 21 years in practice, Lauren's work focuses on methods based on osteopathic principles, including structural integration, craniosacral, and visceral manipulation. Taken together, these methods aim to balance the alignment and mobility of the muscles, bones and organs, and create greater client awareness of health and well-being. Depending on the needs of each client, Lauren adapt the methods she uses to create lasting changes; her work is more oriented to problem-solving and client education than to on-going maintenance or relaxation massage.

Current Certifications/Professional Associations

  • Licensed Massage Practitioner (LMP), Washington State, since 1994.
  • KMI-Structural Integration, with Tom Myers, Kinesis, 2004.
  • Certified Craniosacral Therapist, with Ursula Popp, Natural Health Resources Center, 2005.
  • Certified Teacher of Kinesis, teaching short courses and within KMI certification program in the U.S. and Europe, 2005-2013.
  • National Certification Board of Therapeutic Massage and Bodywork (NCBTMB), certified continuing education providers, since 2005.
  • International Association of Structural Integrators (IASI), member, 2003; continuing education provider, since 2009.
  • American Massage Therapy Association (AMTA), member since 1994.
  • Certification Board of Structural Integrators (CBSI), certified practitioner, since 2009.

About Richard M. Polishuk, LMP, Aston-Patterner

Richard has been practicing since receiving his massage license in 1986. His initial interests were in orthopedic and structural work, and he pursued those interests in depth with Ben Benjamin, Joseph Heller, Paul St. John, Rich Phaigh and others. Working with Judith Aston and certifying in Aston-Patterning in the 90's was the icing on the cake. Richard has been teaching since the late 80's.

Current Certifications/Professional Associations

    • Licensed Massage Practitioner (LMP), Washington State, 1986.
    • Intraoral Endorsement, Washington State, 2007.
    • Aston-Patterning Practitioner, 1998.
    • National Certification Board of Therapeutic Massage and Bodywork (NCBTMB), certified continuing education providers, 2005.
    • American Massage Therapy Association (AMTA), member since 1986.

Previously certified in Hellerwork, Onsen/MET, Cyriax-style Injury Treatment/Ben Benjamin and Trager.

Apr 20, 2017

In this episode, Janet and Nikki talk with Medical Exercise Specialist Brian Richey about program design and best exercise practices for the obese and overweight client.

They cover:

  • Brian's personal experience with weight loss
  • Why thermogenics (calories in, calories out) doesn't work as a weight loss strategy
  • How small, achievable changes like drinking more water can have the greatest results
  • The unique biomechanical challenges that come with being overweight
  • The benefits of starting with the basics (stability training, sleep, walking) even when weight loss is the goal
  • How traditional fitness marketing sets us up to fail and how we can create a physical and emotionally safe environment for our clients in a fitness facility
  • How to set realistic expectations when starting a new fitness program and setting goals


About Brian Richey

Brian, the owner/operator of Fit 4 Life DC, was born in Kailua, Hawai‘i, and graduated from the University of Hawai‘i with a B.S. in Exercise Science/Kinesiology.

While Brian is a personal trainer, he isn’t your typical one. Brian is a Medical Exercise Specialist and Post Rehab Conditioning Specialist, meaning that his level of understanding and working with and managing medical conditions with exercise is far beyond that of your typical trainer.

“My goal is to bridge the gap between the medicine and movement.”

While Brian might have been born in paradise, his childhood wasn’t all fun in the sun. He was an obese child, tipping the scales at over 420lbs by his 18 th birthday. His journey of weight loss ultimately led him to pursuit a career in personal training and help people not only in losing weight but also regaining and improving their quality of life.

To connect with Brian, you can visit his website, follow him on Facebook or send him an email at

Apr 13, 2017

In this episode, Janet and Nikki talk with Jules Mitchell, yoga teacher, manual therapist and educator, about how to apply biomechanics to yoga and movement.

They cover:

  • How to define biomechanics
  • The benefits of cuing less and exploring more in your yoga and movement practice
  • Why it's not always bad to break alignment "rules"
  • The role of load in yoga and movement
  • A brief synopsis on the science of stretching and how it relates to yoga and flexibility


Jules Mitchell MS, CMT, RYT

Jules is a Los Angeles based yoga educator. She combines the tradition of yoga with her background in biomechanics to help people move better and achieve individually defined physical success. Her approach to asana is multi-modal and skill based, balancing the somatic (moving from within) aspects of yoga with exercise science.

Jules writes on yoga biomechanics and references the exercise science literature on topics (such as stretching) where the yoga research is lacking. She is a regular contributor to yoga teacher training programs worldwide, providing yoga schools with the most current research in biomechanics, even when it invokes a discerning analysis of tradition.

Her most influential teachers include Leeann Carey (Yapana Yoga), Gil Hedley (Integral Anatomy), John Casey (yoga philosophy and Sanskrit), and the many dedicated scientists who collect, analyze, and publish data so we may continue to ask more questions. As adjunct faculty at Arizona State University, she serves as the yoga consultant on research studies to quantify the effects of yoga therapy on special populations.

Jules is currently writing her book, Yoga Biomechanics: Redefining Stretching, which is expected to become available in 2017 through Handspring Publishing. You can find her leading workshops at your favorite local studio or check out her classes online.

To connect with Jules on social media, you can find her on Twitter and Facebook

Mar 30, 2017

In this episode Nikki and Janet talk with Balanced Body educator and BOSU Master Trainer Erika Quest about balance training and functional fitness using the BOSU Balance Trainer.

They cover:

  • How to create effective regressions and progressions with the BOSU and other balance tools
  • Why your should train in multiple planes of motion and body positions
  • Why balance training is important especially as we age
  • How to incorporate BOSU and balance training into a client session
  • Different ways to use the BOSU to improve stability, mobility and proprioception


About Erika Quest

Erika Quest, PMA-CPT, Owner of Studio Q Pilates Conditioning in Laguna Beach, CA is a Balanced Body® Master Instructor, part of the BOSU® & Hedstrom Elite Team and is also a Body Arts & Science International® Graduate. She is also a regular instructor for the prestigious Pilates Anytime, Inc., a premier presenter and international educator at many fitness and wellness conventions including IDEA®, SCW, Pilates In Asia & Pilates On Tour.

Mar 23, 2017

In this episode Nikki and Janet talk with science based yoga teacher Jenni Rawlings about the current model of pain science and how it relates to yoga and fitness.

They cover:

  • An updated model of pain science and why pain might not actually relate to tissue damage
  • Potential causes of chronic pain
  • The role of the brain and nervous system in interpreting pain
  • Strategies to address pain through movement
  • The importance of novel movement for increasing function and decreasing pain
  • The relationship between load and the need for more precise alignment
  • The application of yoga under the current pain science model
About Jenni Rawlings
Jenni is a yoga teacher with an emphasis on anatomy, physiology, and movement science. She is a Functional Range Conditioning Mobility Specialist, a Restorative Exercise Specialist, and a body and anatomy geek writer and blogger. She writes regularly for Yoga International and for her own blog. She is also the owner of Drishti, the nation's first stand-alone yoga clothing store, which she opened in Santa Barbara, California in 2002.
Find Jenni and her online yoga classes on her website (, or connect with her on FacebookInstagram, or Twitter. You can also visit her yoga clothing store Drishti at
Mar 16, 2017

In this episode, Janet and Nikki talk with Kevin C. Moore, biomechanist and founder of Reembody, about how to troubleshoot foot pain.

They cover:

  • The role of side-dominance in performance and pain
  • The problems with using an over simplified model for addressing foot pain
  • How dysfunction in the foot can contribute to problems with the knees and hips
  • Common causes of foot dysfunction
  • The biomechanics of over pronation, high arches and the big toe
  • Why high arches aren’t always better than flat feet
  • Simple strategies to improve foot health


Links mentioned:

Reembody article on over pronation: Preparing the Foot, Ankle and Knee to Absorb Shock

Finding the medial edge of the foot during squats: Read This Before You Do Another Squat

Upcoming Reembody Workshops:

Fearless Feet: Turning Pressure into Power

March 25th 2017 in Portland, Oregon

In this 5-hour workshop, we’ll explore common inefficiencies in the lower body and provide effective, sustainable measures to eliminate them. Participants will learn the theory behind proprioception, balance and power transmission while putting it all into action in real time.

Price: $138.

Registration link:

Engaging the Glutes: The Strongest Muscle You’re Not Using.

April 22nd 2017 in Portland Oregon

This 5-hour workshop examines the multiple functions of the glute muscles as they relate to cycling. We’ll examine fast- and slow-twitch muscle behavior, laterality and side-dominance, proprioceptive gaps and the benefits of isolated stretching (it’s not what you’re picturing). Although this class is tailored for people with an interest in cycling, it is designed for all levels and every type of sports enthusiast.

Price: Early Bird: $118 (Before April 7th) Regular Price: $148.

Registration link:

About Kevin C. Moore

Kevin is a biomechanist, human-movement specialist and founder of the Reembody Method™. He is a veteran Pilates instructor, BTS master trainer, and a frequent presenter on the EBFA medical webinar series. Kevin’s writing and work has been featured on CNN, the Huffington Post, the Daily HIIT and the South China Morning Post. He has worked with Dr. Emily Splichal, Dr. Perry Nicholson and the US Women’s Fencing Team, among others. He is also a co-founder of New Body Ethic, an American-based non-profit aimed at creating a culture of responsible fitness.

Kevin differentiates himself from other health-and-wellness experts in one striking way: he is all about building up, not tearing down. Shame is a powerful engine for profit, particularly in the fitness industry;Kevin will never pander to people’s basest fears in this way. His philosophy is simple: every body is astonishing, just as it is, and true health stems from first understanding how your body works. 



Mar 10, 2017

In this bonus episode, Nikki interviews Janet about how she got her start in fitness.

They cover:

  • Her fitness philosophy
  • Her experiences as a initially unwilling group fitness instructor, Pilates teacher and fitness educator
  • How she'd like the see the fitness industry evolve 
  • The differences in fitness in Canada vs the US


Feb 16, 2017

In this bonus episode, Janet interviews Nikki about how she got her start in fitness.

They cover:

  • Her fitness philosophy
  • Her experiences as a personal trainer, Pilates teacher and massage therapist
  • How she tricked herself into starting a business
  • How they started the podcast
Feb 2, 2017

In this two-part interview, Janet and Nikki talk with Joe Hook, CSCS and Director of Human Performance, about barefoot training, choosing proper footwear and using recovery as a tool to get more out of your workouts.

They cover:

  • How to safely transition to barefoot training for weight lifting and more challenging activities
  • Simple strategies for healthier, more adaptive feet
  • Different types of minimalist shoes and how to pick the right shoe for your activity
  • How foot health impacts overall function and performance
  • The health and performance benefits of lifting mindfully rather than for time
  • Why recovery is important for an effective fitness program and how often you should lift heavy

About Joe Hook, CSCS, USAW

Joe is the Director of Human Performance for Real Human Performance (Cincinnati, Ohio). His background is in sports performance training, and he works with clients ranging from professional athletes to the average person. His training philosophy is rooted in improving movement patterns and stress resiliency.

For more information, visit his website at or connect with him on Facebook or Instagram.

Jan 26, 2017

In this two-part interview, Janet and Nikki talk with Joe Hook, CSCS and Director of Human Performance, about how to start and sustain a lifting program that will get you results, but also minimizes the risk of injury.

In this episode, they cover:

  • What to look for in a resistance training coach
  • The importance of good movement patterning, mobility, posture and breath for heavy lifting
  • Using different forms of exercise for a well rounded fitness program
  • Why different body types (stiff vs hypermobile) will have different form considerations and programming needs
  • When to use a bony lock vs neutral alignment
  • Ideal foot and hip mechanics during squatting (and the common cause of butt winking)
  • How bodyweight training can help you lift heavy while reducing your risk of injury

About Joe Hook, CSCS, USAW

Joe is the Director of Human Performance for Real Human Performance (Cincinnati, Ohio). His background is in sports performance training, and he works with clients ranging from professional athletes to the average person. His training philosophy is rooted in improving movement patterns and stress resiliency.

For more information, visit his website at or connect with him on Facebook or Instagram.

Jan 19, 2017

In this episode, Janet and Nikki chat with Trina Altman, creator of Pilates Deconstructed™, Yoga Tune Up® Teacher Trainer and movement educator, about how to increase longevity and reduce your risk of injury in your yoga practice.

They cover:

  • Trina's journey from the corporate and fashion world to teaching movement today
  • How deconstructing yoga poses can give you a better workout and help support a more traditional yoga practice
  • The importance of stability and mobility for reducing the risk of  pain or injury + why it's especially important for yogis
  • Why Pilates and yoga are fantastic compliments to one another
  • How to use self-care tools like the Yoga Tune Up® Therapy balls to reduce stress and increase body awareness

Links mentioned:

Trina's class and workshop schedule

Trina Altman, E-RYT 500, YACEP, PMA®-CPT, STOTT PILATES® certified instructor

Trina leads teacher trainings in Yoga Tune Up®, the Roll Model® Method and Rx Series for Equinox locally and internationally. She is the creator of Pilates Deconstructed™ an innovative interdisciplinary approach that fosters an embodied understanding of Pilates and its relationship to modern movement science.

While at Brown University, Trina took a Kripalu yoga class which ignited her passion for the practice. Emphasizing the importance of inner focus, she teaches anatomy for yoga teacher trainings across the country. She has presented at Kripalu, PURE YOGA® NYC, Cal-a-Vie Spa, SYTAR, the Yoga Alliance Leadership Conference, ECA, UCLA and multiple yoga conferences.

Her teaching fosters body cognition and self-discovery, firmly grounded in anatomical awareness. Trina builds bridges between the mystical and the pragmatic, and specializes in helping others to access their body’s tissues and their heart’s purpose. Trina works out of Los Angeles at Equinox and The Moving Joint. Find her at or say hello on Facebook or Instagram.

Jan 12, 2017

In this episode, Janet and Nikki talk with Taylor Lamanna, Balanced Body Pilates Educator about her experience working with clients with spinal cord injuries through the CR Johnson Healing Center / High Fives Foundation.

They discuss:

  • What it means to be a movement optimist
  • How Pilates can compliment the rehab process to help people recover function after a spinal cord injury
  • What a Pilates session for someone with a spinal cord injury might look like
  • Continuing education options (and challenges) when seeking more information to work with spinal cord injuries

Correction: Client referenced with transverse myelitis is a psychiatrist, not a physiatrist.

About Taylor Lamanna

As an adventurer at heart, Taylor brings her life experiences and caring personality into her almost 15 years of teaching Pilates. She began her passionate career at a young age, after years of extensive ballet training and received her comprehensive Pilates training through Core Dynamics.

Soon after, Taylor opened her Pilates studio, InnerPeace Pilates in the suburbs of Chicago. During it's successful 8 years of operation Taylor became a Certified Pilates Teacher through the Pilates Method Alliance, a Master Trainer with Balanced Body Education, and opened her second business, InnerPeace Retreats. 

Looking to spread her wings she relocated to beautiful, Lake Tahoe, NV. This move has helped Taylor start her transition into specializing in working with clients who have suffered spinal cord injuries or who have neurological conditions at Purely Pilates in Reno, NV and at the CR Johnson Healing Center/ High Fives Foundation in Truckee, CA. She has seen the healing capabilities of Pilates transform so many lives and looks forward to sharing this gift with as many people as she can.

To connect with Taylor say hello on Facebook or send her an email at

Jan 5, 2017

In this episode, Janet and Nikki chat with Jenna Dodge, MS Health Promotion and Wellness and Certified Health Education Specialist (CHES) about how to train like a professional athlete and improve performance, while reducing your risk of injury.

They cover:

  • How a certain amount of asymmetry can make you better at your sport
  • The one thing that high performing athletes do differently in their training to gain a competitive edge (it's not what you think)
  • Why recovery is as important as your workout
  • How to create a well rounded athletic training program
  • The role of movement patterns and neuromuscular development in athletic performance

About Jenna Dodge, MS Health Promotion

While it wasn't until 2006, Jenna has been preparing almost her whole life to work in the wellness industry. She studied Community Health Education before pursuing a Masters at University of West Florida (UWF) in Health Promotion and Wellness specializing in fitness and nutrition.

While pursuing her masters Jenna engaged every opportunity including - a graduate assistant for UWF, fitness supervisor for UWF, owning/managing a gymnastics company, and teaching fitness classes.

Immediately following her graduation, Jenna completed her dual internship with the Veterans Affairs working on employee wellness and organizational health. After her internship Jenna worked at U of M Hospital studying transitional therapy as Dr. McCune’s assistant.

In March 2011, Jenna moved to the Tampa area and became Fitness Coordinator for Manatee County Government where she oversaw and implemented multiple fitness and wellness programs.

Jenna has worked with elite athletes on all levels including professional sports. She has trained in several modalities which help reduce the risk of injury and enhance performance, including Relief Through Rolling, Dynamic Neuromuscular Stabilization and Functional Movement Screening.

Additionally, she is an ambassador for Fabletics, was awarded Best of the Bay Personal Trainer in 2015, is a master trainer for ReXist360. She is opening her own studio in 2017.

To connect with Jenna, say hello on on Facebook or Instagram.

Nov 19, 2016

In this episode, Janet and Nikki chat with Molly Courtney, a Certified Health Coach, Personal Trainer, Weight Management Specialist and diet rebel about why diets don't work and what does when it comes to improving health or losing weight - should that happen to be your goal.

They cover:

  • The difference between health coaching and getting a meal plan
  • Weight bias and how it can be counterproductive in helping clients achieve health goals
  • Why outcome based goals can delay progress
  • How to successfully implement changes in your lifestyle without feeling deprived, frustrated or miserable
  • Strategies to start loving yourself today and not 10 pounds from now

Additional resources and links mentioned:

Weight bias quizzes

Studies supporting weight bias

Studies supporting why diets don't work

Links mentioned

About Molly Courtney

Molly is a weight-neutral Certified Health Coach, Personal Trainer, Weight Management Specialist, and Diet Rebel. She has a degree in Exercise Science with extensive training and education around behavior change, nutrition, and human performance.

She is the creator of the L-O-V-E Method, a self-discovery approach that empowers people to find and live by their own definition of health and reach their goals with LOVE (Yes, this is absolutely possible!).

To work with Molly and find out more about how to become a diet rebel, visit her site at

Nov 10, 2016

In this episode, Janet and Nikki talk with Jenna Etzel, National Instructor Trainer for Les Mills US.

They discuss the pros and cons of teaching free style group fitness classes vs pre choreographed ones and the difference between taking a training that gives you a base level of knowledge and one that teaches you how to run a class.

They also chat about how mindset can influence your success as an instructor and how to avoid injury, overtraining and burnout.

Finally, they offer sage wisdom on how to find acceptance that no matter where you go or how long you teach, there will always be problems with the microphone.

Links mentioned

Take a les mills training:

Jenna Etzel is an ACE, AFAA and Les Mills Certified Group Fitness Instructor.  She graduated from W.S.U. with a degree in Psychology and a minor in Spanish, which has oddly come in handy frequently in Fitness!  Jenna currently works for Les Mills US as a National Instructor Trainer and Assessor Lead, teaching new Instructors and Assessors how to become certified/qualified in an effort to work toward our global mission of creating a fitter planet.  Jenna currently teaches Les Mills BODYSTEP®, BODYVIVE®, CXWORX®, BODYPUMP® and Trains CXWORX®, BODYSTEP® and Born To Move®.

Jenna loves helping people get where they are trying to go, both in a classroom setting as Group Fitness participants and in a Training environment with new Instructors.  She loves to study and apply learning strategies that help people learn new skills quickly in a supportive environment.  It is paramount to her that people leave each class or Training experience feeling safe, successful and proud of what they've accomplished so they'll be willing to continue learning and growing.

Jenna loves to write and to laugh with friends and family.  She finds much inspiration in seeing how other people overcome adversity and aspires to live and work from a place of helping others.  She believes each of us CAN change the world.


Nov 3, 2016

In this episode, Janet and Nikki talk with Ada Wells, Doctorate of Physical Therapy and sports rehab expert about how to reduce your risk of pain and injury when playing rotational sports (e.g. golf, tennis, running).

They cover myths and misconceptions about training for rotational sports, core control versus core strength (plus why you need both) and the most common causes of injury in rotational sports.

Additionally, they discuss when to stretch or stabilize something and what parts of the body need stability and mobility to increase power and decrease pain.

Areas that typically need more stability:

  • Foot
  • Lower back (lumbar spine)

Areas that typically need more mobility

  • Ankle
  • Hip
  • Midback (thoracic spine)

*The shoulder girdle typically needs both mobility and stability

Links Mentioned:

Tutorial of Ada's favorite foundational exercises for sports training:

Ada Wells, PT, DPT, PMA®-CPT, Level 3 TPI Golf Medical Professional

Owner of ProBalance, Inc.

Ada Wells, DPT, PMA®-CPT, is a Physical Therapist, PMA® Certified Pilates Teacher, a Polestar Pilates Educator, and a Level 3 Titleist Performance Institute Golf Medical Fitness Professional. As owner of ProBalance, Inc. in the San Francisco Bay Area since 2004, she has leveraged her experience as a movement practitioner/physical therapist for over 22 years to develop rehab and injury prevention programs for everyone ranging from corporate desk jockeys to golfers. In addition, she is an educator for Polestar Pilates, the highly respected comprehensive teacher training program developed by and for physical therapists and fitness Pilates professionals.

Dr. Wells has provided her services to celebrity golfers at the American Century Golf Championship nationally televised on NBC since 2003 and has been part of the volunteer Wellness Team at the US Open Golf Championships since 2012. She has been a guest instructor on the Athletic Training Channel of Balanced Body® Podcasts and has presented nationally and internationally for Pilates on Tour®.

She can be found online at:

Website: www.ProBalance.TV

YouTube: ProBalanceTV

Twitter: ProBalanceTV

Facebook Groups: Pilates 4 Golfers

Linked in Moderator: Pilates for Physical Therapy & Rehabilitation; Pilates for Sports Conditioning & Athletic Performance

Oct 27, 2016

In this episode, Nikki and Janet sit down with physical therapist, certified Pilates teacher and professional yoga therapist, Paige Raffo to talk about the transition to coming back from an injury, so you don't get re-injured.

They cover:

  • How to know if you need to see a medical professional for your pain
  • The different types of pain and injury
  • The typical process of transitioning from rehab back to regular exercise
  • The difference between rehab and post rehab + the roles of the medical professional and fitness professional
  • How to create a conversation between the medical professional and the fitness professional to get the best possible outcome for the patient/client
  • How to find the right physical therapist to meet your needs

Links mentioned:

Soreness podcast with Janet and Nikki
Paige's website

Paige Raffo, PT, OCS, PYT, CPT, OMT

Paige Raffo is a licensed Physical Therapist and board certified Orthopedic Clinical Specialist (OCS). She earned her BS in Health Science from St. Mary's College of CA and Master's degree from Samuel Merritt University, CA. She is owner and a practitioner of integrative physical therapy in Bellevue WA.

Special training includes certified Pilates instructor (BASI), Professional Yoga Therapist (PYTI), and Orofacial Myofunctional Therapist (AOMT). She is a voracious learner engaging a wide variety of continued education courses related mind-body manual and movement therapies yearly.

Paige enjoys the challenge and reward coming from working with clients from a whole body perspective. She has special interest in hypermoblity, spine care, women’s health, orofacial and airway health. It is her passion to educate not only her clients but colleagues on the importance of holistic physical therapy and wellness.

She is active and gains great joy from spending time outside of work with her family and friends, playing in the outdoors, cooking and eating. To learn more about Paige, please visit her website at

Oct 20, 2016

In this episode, Nikki and Janet chat with integrative wellness practitioner Heather Umberger, M.S. counseling about the importance of play in movement and how play can be used as a tool to more effectively reach your fitness goals.

They discuss how play can improve confidence and create an experience that keeps you wanting to return to an activity (like exercise) rather than avoid it.

Heather explains how we've been evolved to use play as a tool to grow learn and develop. She offers tips for how you can incorporate play into your fitness program (even if you're super linear).

Benefits of playful movement:

  • It helps you work harder without the same level of discomfort
  • More self confidence
  • Improved mental outlook and decrease stress levels
  • Less self consciousness - helps you take more risks
  • Studies have found when movement is viewed as play and not exercise, then you're more likely to make healthy food choices
  • More creativity and productivity 

Examples of playful movement and fitness:

  • Games (e.g. tag, adult frogger)
  • Nia
  • Laughter Yoga

Three ways to bring play into any workout:

  • Do something different (in exercise or during a part of your day)
  • Go outside and explore, move, walk or go to a playground
  • Explore what kind of play experiences are in your community (e.g. Nia, Laughter Yoga club, a new fitness class)


Heather Umberger offers innovative and effective mind/body experiences to improve overall well-being that are a result of her master’s degree in counseling, facilitation of the PSYCH-K® process 13 years in the bodywork field, as well as multiple other trainings.

She’s trained in advanced bodywork methods including trigger point, myofascial release, cranial-sacral, lymphatic, Orthobionomy®, Trager®, Berry Method®, Integrative Reflexology®, Nurturing the Mother® fertility/prenatal/postpartum, Infant Massage USA®, Laughter Yoga, the MELT Method®, and Nia. 

Her clients regularly meet goals such as increased fertility and positive prenatal experience; pain relief (from issues stemming from arthritis, fibromyalgia, pre/post-surgical procedures, headaches, neck/back/shoulder, sports injuries); relief from stress, anxiety and depression; athletic pursuit; graceful aging; management of symptoms with neurological disorders; and wellness. 

You can find more about Heather and her classes, movement and massage services in Chesterfield, Virginia at

Oct 13, 2016

In this episode, Nikki chats with Kyria Sabin Waugaman, director of Fletcher Pilates International.

They briefly discuss the history of Fletcher Pilates, Ron Fletcher’s philosophy of movement and how the Fletcher towel work can be used in post rehab and performance settings.

Who was Ron Fletcher?

Ron Fletcher studied directly under Joe and Clara Pilates and is responsible for introducing and popularizing the Pilates Method in the West Coast.

Ron is known for having evolved the Pilates Method while maintaining the intention of the work. With Clara Pilates permission, he brought the work to standing and added elements of barre to enhance the function of the exercises. He also developed the Fletcher Towelwork® to improve integrity strength and balance in the upper body.

Using the Towelwork® to improve performance

The Towelwork® progresses movement from basic to complicated patterns. It starts with stabilization exercises to teach clients how to move from their backs and from a place of symmetry.

Depending on the activity, the application of the Towelwork® will vary, but it gives everyone a sense of strength, flexibility, ease of movement and taking the Pilates principles all the way up through the body.

For many people who play a one sided sport like tennis or baseball, there’s an instability or imbalance in the body that can be corrected with the Towelwork®. Additionally, it can teach dancers how to perform upper body movement from a place of strength and ease.

Fletcher Towelwork® for breast cancer

One of the applications of the work is opening the front of the body. In the case of chest wall surgeries like mastectomies, lumpectomies and open heart surgery, there’s a tendency to close down in the chest particularly when there is scar tissue or pain involved.

This causes changes in upper body posture and compromises the stability of the shoulder girdle. The Towelwork® helps expand the chest wall, improve shoulder stability and correct upper body posture.

Fletcher Pilates teaching philosophy

Ron approached every body from an idea of movement potential – not limitations.

He was all about helping people embody their bodies and he often talked about how we have this give or take, 70 trillion cells that we get to move through life with. He believed that we should treat each person, no matter where they are in their lives as a whole being, not just as someone who is recovering from something.

Links Mentioned:

Fletcher Pilates Website:

Fletcher Pilates in Seattle with Teresa Chikoore:

Kyria Sabin, PMA®-CPT

Kyria Sabin directs Fletcher Pilates® and its affiliated professional Pilates educational program, the Fletcher Pilates® Program of Study.

A graduate of Duke University and a licensed massage therapist, she initiated her studies with Ron Fletcher in 1991 and founded Body Works Pilates studios in Tucson, Arizona in 1993. Recognized by Ron Fletcher as a Master Teacher and Disseminator, Kyria developed the Pilates Program at the University of Arizona where she serves as Adjunct Faculty. She is an international presenter and has served on the national boards for the Pilates Method Alliance, The University of Arizona School of Dance and the Foundation for Expanding Horizons.

You can learn more about Kyria and Fletcher Pilates at


Sep 29, 2016

In this episode Janet and Nikki discuss practical exercise guidelines and precautions for osteoporosis and osteopenia.

They cover the clinical definition, populations who are at risk and ways to increase bone density and reduce the risk of fractures and injury.

Areas of the body most vulnerable to bone loss:

- Hips

- Wrists

- Spine

Contraindications for osteoporosis: 

- Loaded flexion

- Flexion with rotation

- Rotation

Exercise suggestions for osteoporosis and osteopenia:

- Moderate impact exercise to load the bones (weight training, walking, ect)

- Thoracic extension

- Balance and coordination training to reduce the risk of falling

Links Mentioned:

Sherri Betz osteoporosis article

Aug 19, 2016

When it comes to the consideration of alignment, the fitness world tends to be divided.

Some professionals are concerned with the act of getting people to move more, while others believe that you can't really get the benefit of moving without being in or close to ideal alignment.

So how much does alignment really matter?

In this episode, Janet and Nikki discuss how to find a balance between training for good alignment and function and moving for recreation and fun.

They cover how load affects how much alignment maters (higher load = a higher risk of injury, so alignment matters more) as well as what do you if you have any underlying structural issue that stops you from being able to access that ideal alignment.

They also discuss Dr. Jonathan Hoffman's model of how to create balanced movement (fit, foundation and fun) from his book Being Fit: A collection of essays on achieving a healthy, active lifestyle in the modern world.

Jul 17, 2016

The phrase "No pain. No gain" has been around since the 80's, but is it true?

In this episode, Janet and Nikki discuss the science and myths of DOMS or delayed onset muscle soreness.

Looking at the data, they cover:

- The definition of DOMS

- Common causes of DOMS (surprisingly, it's not necessarily caused by working hard)

- How DOMS affects performance in the areas of strength, cardiovascular endurance and flexibility

- The relationship between DOMS and sport/fitness related injury

Episode Length: 25 minutes

Listen on iTunes: 

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